What makes you think that a gay couple would want to seal their love in a venue that promotes hatred toward them? Do you think of that, or is the fear mongering too big on the agenda to let that little nugget of logic creep in?Question for those against gay marriage being legal?
鈥?Gabriel 鈥?- It was actually the christians who redefined marriage, before christianity took over the world gay people were allowed to get married and it was normal...
NO ON PROP H8!Question for those against gay marriage being legal?
Alot of people seem to be talking alot about gays not having marriages approved in the eyes of God. Many gays aren't exactly pro religion anyway because of the hatred that is thrown towards them from people of all religions and in every direction. Even non-religious people seem to have a problem with it as well. I am Muslim, and my faith out of the lot of them condemns it completely, but I personally see nothing wrong with letting people do what they're going to do anyway. Not making same sex marriage legal does not mean that they'll all pack up and move off of the planet. They will still remain together and have relationships if that's what they want to do. Drinking, adultery, murder, and rape are also not approved in the eyes of God, but since when do people stop doing that? If you drink, do drugs, or have a ';friend with benefits'; you are also disobeying God's rule and most likely are going to hell, so I think people should ease up and worry about their own sins. People shouldn't worry about the homosexuals and sodomy. They should worry about their own problems because some of them are equally as devious. Alot of people aren't that religious now a days anyway. They go to church like once month and then want to pull out the cross and get all preachy when they encounter a homosexual...please...get a life.
Just because gay marriage is legal does not mean that the Churches have to marry them. There is no language in the law any where that says a) a marriage ceremony has to take place in a church and b) that a church has to marry a couple. Churches are private establishments and always have the right to refuse service. The only place that is ';forced'; to marry a gay couple if gay marriage is legal is the city hall since it is a public service facility. Their argument makes no sense
because they have and they are. sadly, there are a portion of gay people in the US that feel it is their RIGHT to change everyone and everything toward their way of thinking. this is NOT The norm, however this is the loudest voice and the squeakist wheel. had this not already been the case -- BTW most conservatives are fine with the ';civil union'; concept. the challenge is -- why can't the conservatives be right -- why can only the gay movement be right -- it doesn't always work the way we want things. red is red and while there may be different shades - they are then called different things!
Here's a nugget of logic for ya:
Why must gays insist on redefining the traditional word ';marriage';, when civil unions can be made to give them the EXACT same benefits a marriage would give them? And they could still make all the 'vows' they wanted... they just would not be made in the eyes of God -- because God makes it very clear that He does not approve of sodomy. Maybe it's the gays who should consider being tolerant and respectful of others beliefs. (Judging from the thumbs-down I'm receiving, I suppose it's only the Christians who are expected to be tolerant.)
**Victimless Criminal -- And I'm supposed to believe this based on what? Your word? No thanks...
**Sad Panda -- Meg summed it up beautifully: My marriage is recognized by God as a covenant between my wife and I. Even if gays get their ';marriages'; recognized by the state governments, they will still never be recognized by a God who deems that lifestyle as an abomination. So, redefine marriage for heterosexuals if you think you can... that will never change the vows I made before my Lord.
History has shown that sodomites try to push their sinful way of life onto everyone as being normal. Why wouldn't they try to force it onto the churches as they have governments and schools etc?
In the Bible a Sodomite is a homosexual, and the scriptures speak very much against this ungodly practice (Rom. 1:26-28; Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Gen. 19; I Kgs. 14:24; 15:12; 22:46; 23:7; Deu. 23:17). God has never created anyone to be a sex pervert, and He has never approved of this sin.
Since when do fundamentalist Christians have a monopoly on what marriage is? Are they really arrogant enough to think that their religion is the only one that matters? And this brings up a very interesting point:
If fundamentalists get to redefine Chrsitianity to mean ';relationship'; as opposed to ';religion,'; why can't the rest of us ';redefine'; marriage to mean ';any legally binding cohabitational relationship between two consenting adults?'; Heck...why not go all the way? ';..between two or more consenting adults?';
Not every god out there is as prudish as Jehovah.
EDIT--Gabriel: what about those same-sex couples who don't recognize your god? Surely you don't think recognition by the Christian god matters in the least to someone who isn't Christian!
Well gays already want to get married in churches since many years ago, as a mater of fact they want to be religiously accepted as gay Christians. And if it would be legalized they would have the option of suing the churches that refuse to marry them for being ';discriminative';, I say that if they want to get married they should go to San Francisco.
A same-sex couple has already tried to force the Catholic Church to marry them. It was made into a documentary:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0392739/
http://www.personafilms.com/saintsandsin鈥?/a>
%26gt;%26gt;To those of you who are so ';tolerant'; that you agree to giving homosexuals and bisexuals civil unions, not marriage on the basis that it would ';give them the EXACT same benefits a marriage would give them';.: Why don't we make YOU take back YOUR vows, elimate YOUR marriage and give you a civil union instead? It's the SAME THING, right? I don't think you should be married, but I entirely support giving you a civil union. You shouldn't be intolerant of my beliefs!%26lt;%26lt;
sad panda, that鈥檚 what I want!!! I don鈥檛 want or need the civil government to recognize, validate, or legitimize my marriage. That鈥檚 between me, my spouse, our Church, and God. All I want from the civil government is a civil union for the legal benefits.
%26gt;%26gt;But, what about the people who want to get married and can't? What if marriage is important to them? What do they get?%26lt;%26lt;
There are plenty of private organizations that will marry anyone. Let them handle marriages, and let the civil government handle civil unions. This is closer to how it is done in other countries, anyway. In Germany, Mexico, etc., church and other private weddings have no legal effect. Only civil ceremonies are recognized by the civil government.
I completely support GLBT marriage, so this question wasn't directed at me. However, after reading some of these answers I'm going to speak my mind anyway.
To those of you who are so ';tolerant'; that you agree to giving homosexuals and bisexuals civil unions, not marriage on the basis that it would ';give them the EXACT same benefits a marriage would give them';.: Why don't we make YOU take back YOUR vows, elimate YOUR marriage and give you a civil union instead? It's the SAME THING, right? I don't think you should be married, but I entirely support giving you a civil union. You shouldn't be intolerant of my beliefs!
EDIT: Meg, that's great. What's even better is that you can get that! You can be happy with your relationship, without legalization, without anything but your own peace and I can't help being pleased about that. But, what about the people who want to get married and can't? What if marriage is important to them? What do they get?
Any subject to talk about is much better than discussing the actual act performed by the same sex couples. God help all of our children in the future.Proponents aren't feeble minded we just use ours when it comes down to it. once again GROSS We need not describe it you already know what it looks like when your showering it off. Get truly clean repent(stop-turn around and be saved) Before it is to late.
Well they are not well informed because the Church does not have to Marry anybody,Gay, Straight ect.So that should not even be an issue.
And it is not fear it is our belief and we are not going to bend that for your agenda.Our God says it is an abomination and that is that.
Hatred is not even on the agenda. It has nothing to do with hatred. Marriage is a sacrament requiring one to be in the state of grace. It's primary purpose is the procreation of children.
God is against it. So, because I am a follower of Christ (Christian), I must have the same attitude of Christ (Philippians 2) and I can not condone what God has condemned.
Proponents against gay marriage are either feeble-minded or bigoted, perhaps both. It's a shame because it slows down progression.
Californians- NO on prop H8TE.
Strong opponents are usually closet homosexuals
You are right, if you are gay than you are breaking Gods rules so why would you want to be married in a church. I totally agree with you, but I don't agree with the part of church promoting hatred towards gay people they just don't agree with their way of life because it's something God condemns. Good point though, I can see this one getting lots of answers.
I think all the gays will give me thumbs down!
Yes on prop 8 California .
God is with us.
I don't care if you put thumbs down.
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