Saturday, January 23, 2010

Does prop 8 include the marriage under the catholic church?

a lot of reference say that it is marriage and not marriage for gay people and w/e, but none refer to what method of marriage! is it marriage under the church, the one under hat cheap chapel in las vegas, signing papers, or petition etc. what kind of marriage is it that prop 8 stresses about? or is it just marriage in general?Does prop 8 include the marriage under the catholic church?
No.





California's Proposition 8 deals with the state's recognition of homosexual marriage.





The Catholic Church's definition of a Sacramental marriage is already independent of the state's definition of marriage.





The Catholic Church believes that God himself is the author of marriage and has created it for one man and one woman.





The Church further teaches that being homosexual is not a sin but that all single people (heterosexual and homosexual) are called to celibacy.





What civil governments decide to do is up to their citizens and the constitution of the country.





For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church:


About marriage, section 1601 and following: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt2s鈥?/a>


About homosexuality. section 2357 and following: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3s鈥?/a>





http://www.catholic.com/library/gay_marr鈥?/a>





With love in Christ.Does prop 8 include the marriage under the catholic church?
';the wording is:





';marriage is a unique institution valid only between one man and one woman.';





Not even close. The full text is





';Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.';





Fourteen words of hate and phobia.

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Prop 8 will not impact marriages performed in the Catholic Church. The Proposition makes it so that unmarried same-sex couples will not be able to marry in California. As the Catholic Church does not marry same-sex couples, there will be no impact.





The state can only make laws regarding civil marriage. It cannot tell the religious organizations how to conduct marriages. However, if a church limits the marriages it performs to those authorized by the state (the Catholic Church does for instance - the age of consent varies by state according to state law) then this may impact what marriages that church performs.





That said, if Prop 8 passes, same-sex couples who are married currently will remain married but unmarried same-sex couples cannot marry in California.





In theory, a church that recognizes same-sex marriages and does not require a couple's marriage to be legal under state law could still perform them. However the couple would still not be legally married in the state. What you have are two conflicting legal systems - that of the church, and that of the state. Members of a church adhere to the laws of the church and to the laws of the state they live in.
It's marriage as a secular (state) institution. When 2 people get married or divorce, it's something that involves the state - not the church, as the church doesn't recognize divorce anyway.





It's an issue of civil rights, religion has no bearing in this debate as this is not a religious issue.





Even when people choose to marry in a church, they are ';legally'; married, only because they have registered that marriage with the state. The church simply officiates the ceremony, but many marriages are not celebrated in a church, although all have to be registered with the state in order for them to be legal.
Right now, the state of California recognizes marriages between same-sex couples. However, religions are free to recognize whatever marriages they choose. Some churches recognize gay marriage while others do not. We still have religious freedom in California.





Please remember that the Catholic church still does not recognize divorces granted by the state, so they can't be forced to recognize gay marriage.
Legal marriage.





Each church/minister - will decide on their own - whether or not they want to marry two people of the same sex.





This is why it BAFFLES me that people are upset about this. It truly will not effect them. Catholics I know are saying that marriage in general will be harmed. But no same sex couple will be married in the Catholic church. So - why do they care!?!?!?





NO ON PROP 8!!!





(that's 8 with a silent H)





Namaste!!!
Marriage is a Holy Sacrament. Therefore, it cannot be defined, regulated, or even duplicated by the state.





The state can try all it wants, none of these unions are Sacramental. That is, they are not bining in the eyes of God; hence no ';real'; marriage.
yes prop 8 is stoping some gay/lesbians marriages and some churches arent going to allow those kind of marriages(im catholic and my church is voting yes)





basically its like stoping same sex marriages
the wording is:





marriage is a unique institution valid only between one man and one woman.





It doesn't strip rights away from anyone, it just reaffirms the traditional definition of marrige.
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